Oshii said he creates films so that he can "pick a fight with society," and he believes that Miyazaki does the same even if he claims to create films for children to enjoy.
source https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2021-05-03/mamoru-oshii-hideaki-anno-is-more-of-a-producer-than-a-director-these-days/.172297
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